When pitching one of the five Negro League stars who also have batting cards do you use the pitcher's hitting rating or the batters card. I called Strat and the man there agreed with me that the batters card should be used. After all, pitching is not going to make them worse hitters. Any thoughts or opinions?
If a pitcher has a batting card, I use it.
I also love to use the Pitchers As Hitters cards from Gary's site, when I can.
They put ratings on the pitchers cards that are also batters. That's what made me ask. Thanks for
your opinion-I wanted to see how others handle this situation.
Official confirmation (of a sort):
On the 1927 season roster sheet, there is the notation "When using Red Lucas of Cincinnati as a pitcher, use his player card for hitting instead of a pitcher's hitting card."
I've check all my various rules sheets, and that's the only mention I can find of what to do. I'm guessing the hitting rating on those pitchers' cards is more standardized format, than anything.
The 1955 Don Newcombe hitting card is so good that he is their best pinch-hitter on the team. Red Lucas was known to also pinch-hit/
I pulled out the five players who can pitch and play the field. One is a terrible hitter, the others do not hit well enough to start in the field. That leaves us with Martin Dihigo who is a good hitter but not a pitcher that would be likely to start. And then we have Bullet Joe Rogan.
As a pitcher he has a 22-9 record with a 2.63 ERA who is excellent against righty hitters. Then there is Rogan the hitter. He is a .367 average with a .570 slugging percentage. Truly an amazing player.
The 1955 Don Newcombe hitting card is so good that he is their best pinch-hitter on the team. Red Lucas was known to also pinch-hit/
-mrpuna
Lucas was also a part-time position player. Lucas had two cards in '27, with the Reds. In the '24 season that I'm playing right now, Johnny Cooney of the Braves has two cards. There are others, as well, such as Doc Crandall (1911 Giants).
In my 1911 World Series, Crandall had to fill in at short because of a rash of HBP injuries and hit a late homer to ice the win in Game Six. In Game Seven, he had to relieve Marquard early and pitched about five innings for the win.
Rube Bressler took the Babe Ruth path: he started out as a pitcher, then transitioned into an outfielder/first baseman.
I wasn't aware of the other players with two cards. That's a great story about Doc Crandall. Stan Musial was signed as a pitcher-it's a good thing he got injured and became Stan the Man.
Gonna use them just like you folks!
Jim
Hi Guys!
Are you guys gonna print out a picture of Hinchliffe for your games??
I'm gonna,some others as well.
Jim
There is a pitcher in the '24 set I believe that has both a batting and hitting card but his name escapes me. Jim, good question on printing out the pics, I should start doing that.
That would be Johnny Cooney that you're thinking of, cwsfn.
I'm looking forward to seeing your pics.
Interestingly, all the best Comiskey Park (pre-lights) photos I've ever seen are from the Negro League East-West All-Star Games.
Here's one I'll be using:
You're welcome. Love that dirt flying!
That's Josh Gibson sliding in and Double Duty Radcliffe catching, if I recall.
That is a great picture! Makes me want to log off and roll a game right now even though it is 3AM. I can't think of a better way to spend the late night hours alone.
Opening day at Greely Field began at 3:55 AM as the hastily assembled Rogans and Paiges took to the field. Cool Papa Bell scored in the first on a groundout, giving the Rogans a 1-0 lead. The Paiges tied it up in the first with a homer by John Beckwith. Wild Bill Wright gave the Rogans the lead again by scoring on a groundout by Pop Lloyd, Lloyd came up in the fifth with 2 on and homered to make it 5-1, giving the Rogans a solid lead. Joe Rogan, pitching with a 5-1 lead, sparkled the rest of the game as did Paige and 5-1 was the final scored. Both teams were just laden with talent and I can't wait to make 4 teams instead of the 2 hastily assended teams that opened the new era.
I hadn't played with the dice for a long time and it was great. I have my laminated super advanced charts purchased from Glenn Guzzo at opening day west in 1998 and the pitchers hitting cards looked to be 20 years old. Here I sit at 4:48 in the morning and all is well in my Strat world.
Congratulations MP!!....the world of SOM sure is a great one!
Jim
Thanks! It was a lot of fun but I definitely had to pay close attention to things like how many outs there are. I left the game set up so I'm sure there will be more action today.
