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10/24/16 10:52 AM

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As I watch the tumbleweeds blow down Main Street in the Village, I thought perhaps a little trivia may urge the townsfolk to swing open the shutters and join me for a Sarsaparilla here in the saloon.

As I mention at any opportunity, baseball died for me with the strike of '94 and I pride myself in knowing virtually nothing about the sport I so dearly loved my entire youth for lo these past 20 years.  However, given the historical significance of this year's World Series, I can't help but be drawn in, if only for a brief sideways glance.  Thus, the idea for this trivia question.

It seems very likely the young Cub, Kris Bryant, will win this year's NL MVP.  Evidently, he was the 2015 NL Rookie of the Year. We all know Fred Lynn won the AL ROY and MVP in the same season (1975) and rumor has it some guy named Ichiro did it around the turn of the century - unfortunately, this one.

But...

QUESTION 1Who were the only two players in MLB history to win ROY and MVP in CONSECUTIVE seasons?  (Hint:  I would have no way of knowing this.)

Now here's one for us old school guys:

QUESTION 2:  There have been 20 players who have won both a ROY and MVP award in their careers. How many can you name?

No Googling!

I'll post a table with the correct responses as they trickle in (hopefully).  Since audience participation isn't our strong suit here in the Village, I'll post all the answers at the end of the week.

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The only way I can justify posting about a post-strike era player is with a mocked up 1975 Topps...please bear with me (pun intended as always).


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10/24/16 03:37 PM

I can't remember when ROY started. If 1947, then I thought that Jackie Robinson won in 1947 ROY and was MVP at sometime. I suppose Robin Yount might have won both. Frank Robinson of course. Johnny Bench maybe. I would not know anything after about 2007 or so when I mostly stopped following. Of course, being a Cleveland fan has brought back some interest recently. My wife and I are even thinking about a season ticket package next year. That's all I can come up with - oh, Willie Mays might have been NL ROY in 1951 but I am not sure. If so, you could cheat and say he won in consecutive years since his next season was 1954 due to military service! Was Yaz ROY? I don't think so.

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10/24/16 03:57 PM

Okay!  We're on the board with a nice 4-for-5 day at the plate from gwloar!


Year

Player

1947 NL ROY,
1949 NL MVP

Jackie Robinson (BRK)

1951 NL ROY,
1954 & 1965 NL MVP

Willie Mays (SF)

1956 NL ROY,
1961 NL MVP,
1966 AL MVP

Frank Robinson (CIN/BAL)

1968 NL ROY,
1970 & 1972 NL MVP

Johnny Bench (CIN)

1975 AL ROY,
1975 AL MVP

Fred Lynn (BOS)

2001 AL ROY,
2001 AL MVP

Ichiro Suzuki (SEA)

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Along with my two gimmies of Lynn and Ichiro, that's six down, 14 to go!

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10/25/16 09:01 AM

Caught looking on the Robin Yount pitch. I did think of another one without looking at anything. How about Hank Aaron? I do not know if he won ROY in 1954 (could have Ernie Banks, I guess. Both had good 1954 seasons and both won MVP awards). At least we know that it was not Joe Charboneau!

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10/25/16 06:39 PM

No Hammerin' Hank and no Mr. Cub.  Can you believe it?  St. Louis' Wally Moon edged them both out for NL ROY honors in '54.  Banks finished a distant second in voting and Aaron fourth behind teammate Gene Conley!  


BTW, over in the AL, Al Kaline wound up third in voting behind the Yanks' Bob Grim and the A's Jim Finigan, whom I have to admit I never heard of.

Time for some more hints...

Of the 14 remaining unnamed players to win ROY and MVP (including the two who did it in consecutive seasons):

- 1 won ROY in the 1940's
- 2 in the 1950's
- 3 in the 1960's
- 2 in the 1970's
- 2 in the 1980's
- 1 in the 1990's
- and 3 since the year 2000

Batter up!

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10/26/16 10:45 AM

Okay, did Pete Rose ever win MVP? He was ROY in 1963 (2?). Richie "call me Dick" Allen was ROY in 1964. I can't recall if he got the 1973 MVP while with the White Sox. The memory is a terrible thing to waste. Oh, maybe the Baby Bull. Orlando Cepeda could have won the ROY in 1958(?) or there abouts and was MVP in 1967. No way I can guess the 2000's.

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10/26/16 11:20 AM

Yes he did!  Fueled by the excitement of a Tribe victory, gwloar goes 3-for-3!

(BTW - I broke down and watched most of Fox's coverage of the WS last night (first time in over 20 years); and while everyone knows Pete is my all-time favorite player, I have to say with that bow tie, rumpled suit, and physique of the long-since retired, he does remind me of one of the Three Stooges...maybe Curly Joe)


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Year

Player

1947 NL ROY,
1949 NL MVP

Jackie Robinson (BRK)

1951 NL ROY,
1954 & 1965 NL MVP

Willie Mays (SF)

1956 NL ROY,
1961 NL MVP,
1966 AL MVP

Frank Robinson (CIN/BAL)

1958 NL ROY,
1967 NL MVP

Orlando Cepeda (SF/STL)

1963 NL ROY,
1973 NL MVP

Pete Rose (CIN)

1964 NL ROY,
1972 AL MVP

Richie Allen (PHI/CHI)

1968 NL ROY,
1970 & 1972 NL MVP

Johnny Bench (CIN)

1975 AL ROY,
1975 AL MVP

Fred Lynn (BOS)

2001 AL ROY,
2001 AL MVP

Ichiro Suzuki (SEA)

 

Nine down, eleven to go!  More hints to come…

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10/26/16 05:50 PM

Okay, it's crunch time.  Here’s a look at the entire puzzle…who can fill in the missing pieces?

Year

Player

Year

Player

2007 AL ROY,
2008 AL MVP

 

1968 NL ROY,
1970 & 1972 NL MVP

Johnny Bench (CIN)

2005 NL ROY,
2006 NL MVP

 

1967 AL ROY,
1977 AL MVP

 

2001 NL ROY,
2005, 2008, 2009 NL MVP

 

1964 NL ROY,
1972 AL MVP

Richie Allen (PHI/CHI)

2001 AL ROY,
2001 AL MVP

Ichiro Suzuki (SEA)

1963 NL ROY,
1973 NL MVP

Pete Rose (CIN)

1991 NL ROY,
1994 NL MVP

 

1959 NL ROY,
1969 NL MVP

 

1986 AL ROY,
1988 AL MVP

 

1958 NL ROY,
1967 NL MVP

Orlando Cepeda (SF/STL)

1982 AL ROY,
1983 & 1991 AL MVP

 

1956 NL ROY,
1961 NL MVP,
1966 AL MVP

Frank Robinson (CIN/BAL)

1977 NL ROY,
1987 NL MVP

 

1951 NL ROY,
1954 & 1965 NL MVP

Willie Mays (SF)

1975 AL ROY,
1975 AL MVP

Fred Lynn (BOS)

1949 NL ROY,
1956 NL MVP

 

1970 AL ROY,
1976 AL MVP

 

1947 NL ROY,
1949 NL MVP

Jackie Robinson (BRK)

 

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10/26/16 11:11 PM

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!  thekline steps into the box and delivers in the pinch!  We're halfway home, 10 down 10 to go.

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1970 AL ROY,
1976 AL MVP
Thurman Munson (NY)


(BTW- One of my favorite baseball cards from one of my favorite Topps sets - love me some action shots!  Quadruple extra credit for naming the Oakland A's baserunner...the answer at hardballtimes: http://www.hardballtimes.com/card-corner-1971-topps-thurman-munson/)


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10/28/16 02:07 PM

I wouldn't have guessed Chuck Dobson in a million years. Ever think you'll see a pitcher slide like that again? By the way, those cards were cool!

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10/29/16 09:13 AM

Alright, bottom of the ninth.  I’ll load the bases with free passes to the three millennial winners, including the only two to win the ROY and MVP in consecutive seasons that sparked this question in the first place:

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Dustin Pedroia (I just know J.Q. knew this one, he’s just tied up in the 1800’s right now)

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Ryan Howard (This shows you just how well I’ve ignored the game for the past 22 years)

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Albert Pujols (Poo-holes...tee hee, every time)

Year

Player

Year

Player

2007 AL ROY,
2008 AL MVP

Dustin Pedroia (BOS)

1968 NL ROY,
1970 & 1972 NL MVP

Johnny Bench (CIN)

2005 NL ROY,
2006 NL MVP

Ryan Howard (PHI)

1967 AL ROY,
1977 AL MVP

 

2001 NL ROY,
2005, 2008, 2009 NL MVP

Albert Pujols (STL)

1964 NL ROY,
1972 AL MVP

Richie Allen (PHI/CHI)

2001 AL ROY,
2001 AL MVP

Ichiro Suzuki (SEA)

1963 NL ROY,
1973 NL MVP

Pete Rose (CIN)

1991 NL ROY,
1994 NL MVP

 

1959 NL ROY,
1969 NL MVP

 

1986 AL ROY,
1988 AL MVP

 

1958 NL ROY,
1967 NL MVP

Orlando Cepeda (SF/STL)

1982 AL ROY,
1983 & 1991 AL MVP

 

1956 NL ROY,
1961 NL MVP,
1966 AL MVP

Frank Robinson (CIN/BAL)

1977 NL ROY,
1987 NL MVP

 

1951 NL ROY,
1954 & 1965 NL MVP

Willie Mays (SF)

1975 AL ROY,
1975 AL MVP

Fred Lynn (BOS)

1949 NL ROY,
1956 NL MVP

 

1970 AL ROY,
1976 AL MVP

Thurman Munson (NY)

1947 NL ROY,
1949 NL MVP

Jackie Robinson (BRK)

 

We ought to be able to scrape together the remaining seven from the 40’s thru 90’s – this is right in our wheelhouse!  Time for the benchwarmers to grab some lumber and take their hacks!

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10/29/16 03:50 PM

Ok, here goes. Don Newcombe, Rod Carew, Andre Dawson, Cal Ripken and Jose Canseco. I refuse to name any other steroid made studs. Canseco was enough to make me ill.

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10/29/16 04:27 PM

Thekline steps up and Wham! A homer! Wham! Another homer! Wham! Wham! Wham!   

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Now let’s wrap this thing up before dinner gets cold.

Final Hints:  One of these guys just retired in my 1980 replay and the other spent his entire 15-year career with the same team, playing his final two seasons under a scrappy second baseman from 1980.

Year

Player

Year

Player

2007 AL ROY,
2008 AL MVP

Dustin Pedroia (BOS)

1968 NL ROY,
1970 & 1972 NL MVP

Johnny Bench (CIN)

2005 NL ROY,
2006 NL MVP

Ryan Howard (PHI)

1967 AL ROY,
1977 AL MVP

Rod Carew (MIN)

2001 NL ROY,
2005, 2008, 2009 NL MVP

Albert Pujols (STL)

1964 NL ROY,
1972 AL MVP

Richie Allen (PHI/CHI)

2001 AL ROY,
2001 AL MVP

Ichiro Suzuki (SEA)

1963 NL ROY,
1973 NL MVP

Pete Rose (CIN)

1991 NL ROY,
1994 NL MVP

 

1959 NL ROY,
1969 NL MVP

 

1986 AL ROY,
1988 AL MVP

Jose Canseco (OAK)

1958 NL ROY,
1967 NL MVP

Orlando Cepeda (SF/STL)

1982 AL ROY,
1983 & 1991 AL MVP

Cal Ripken, Jr. (BAL)

1956 NL ROY,
1961 NL MVP,
1966 AL MVP

Frank Robinson (CIN/BAL)

1977 NL ROY,
1987 NL MVP

Andre Dawson (MTL/CHI)

1951 NL ROY,
1954 & 1965 NL MVP

Willie Mays (SF)

1975 AL ROY,
1975 AL MVP

Fred Lynn (BOS)

1949 NL ROY,
1956 NL MVP

Don Newcombe (BRK)

1970 AL ROY,
1976 AL MVP

Thurman Munson (NY)

1947 NL ROY,
1949 NL MVP

Jackie Robinson (BRK)

 

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10/30/16 12:28 PM

I haven't seen McCovey yet. I should have got that one in my first at bat. ROY in 1959. MVP in 1969. In did not know there was an MVP in 1994.

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10/30/16 04:58 PM

Gwloar comes up big after the "Stretch"!

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I didn't know there were awards handed out in '94 either.  Of course, I wouldn't since baseball died on August 11th.  We all got left holding the "Bag" that year.

Any takers before I post the final table?

Year

Player

Year

Player

2007 AL ROY,
2008 AL MVP

Dustin Pedroia (BOS)

1968 NL ROY,
1970 & 1972 NL MVP

Johnny Bench (CIN)

2005 NL ROY,
2006 NL MVP

Ryan Howard (PHI)

1967 AL ROY,
1977 AL MVP

Rod Carew (MIN)

2001 NL ROY,
2005, 2008, 2009 NL MVP

Albert Pujols (STL)

1964 NL ROY,
1972 AL MVP

Richie Allen (PHI/CHI)

2001 AL ROY,
2001 AL MVP

Ichiro Suzuki (SEA)

1963 NL ROY,
1973 NL MVP

Pete Rose (CIN)

1991 NL ROY,
1994 NL MVP

 

1959 NL ROY,
1969 NL MVP

Willie McCovey (SF)

1986 AL ROY,
1988 AL MVP

Jose Canseco (OAK)

1958 NL ROY,
1967 NL MVP

Orlando Cepeda (SF/STL)

1982 AL ROY,
1983 & 1991 AL MVP

Cal Ripken, Jr. (BAL)

1956 NL ROY,
1961 NL MVP,
1966 AL MVP

Frank Robinson (CIN/BAL)

1977 NL ROY,
1987 NL MVP

Andre Dawson (MTL/CHI)

1951 NL ROY,
1954 & 1965 NL MVP

Willie Mays (SF)

1975 AL ROY,
1975 AL MVP

Fred Lynn (BOS)

1949 NL ROY,
1956 NL MVP

Don Newcombe (BRK)

1970 AL ROY,
1976 AL MVP

Thurman Munson (NY)

1947 NL ROY,
1949 NL MVP

Jackie Robinson (BRK)


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10/30/16 10:52 PM

No. I cheated and looked who was MVP in the NL that year so I will not comment. I had season tickets in 1994 to the Indians. I was really PO'ed when the strike hit. We dumped our tickets after that (which was a mistake since Cleveland went to the World Series the next season. Oh well.). Frank Thomas was the AL MVP.

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10/31/16 08:13 AM

Time to drive a wooden stake through the heart of this time-sucker…fittingly, we wrap it up with the MVP from the season that never died, er, ended.

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Thanks for playing along guys!

Year

Player

Year

Player

2007 AL ROY,
2008 AL MVP

Dustin Pedroia (BOS)

1968 NL ROY,
1970 & 1972 NL MVP

Johnny Bench (CIN)

2005 NL ROY,
2006 NL MVP

Ryan Howard (PHI)

1967 AL ROY,
1977 AL MVP

Rod Carew (MIN)

2001 NL ROY,
2005, 2008, 2009 NL MVP

Albert Pujols (STL)

1964 NL ROY,
1972 AL MVP

Richie Allen (PHI/CHI)

2001 AL ROY,
2001 AL MVP

Ichiro Suzuki (SEA)

1963 NL ROY,
1973 NL MVP

Pete Rose (CIN)

1991 NL ROY,
1994 NL MVP

Jeff Bagwell (HOU)

1959 NL ROY,
1969 NL MVP

Willie McCovey (SF)

1986 AL ROY,
1988 AL MVP

Jose Canseco (OAK)

1958 NL ROY,
1967 NL MVP

Orlando Cepeda (SF/STL)

1982 AL ROY,
1983 & 1991 AL MVP

Cal Ripken, Jr. (BAL)

1956 NL ROY,
1961 NL MVP,
1966 AL MVP

Frank Robinson (CIN/BAL)

1977 NL ROY,
1987 NL MVP

Andre Dawson (MTL/CHI)

1951 NL ROY,
1954 & 1965 NL MVP

Willie Mays (SF)

1975 AL ROY,
1975 AL MVP

Fred Lynn (BOS)

1949 NL ROY,
1956 NL MVP

Don Newcombe (BRK)

1970 AL ROY,
1976 AL MVP

Thurman Munson (NY)

1947 NL ROY,
1949 NL MVP

Jackie Robinson (BRK)

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